V9990 is not part of MSX

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By Sebbeug

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15-01-2022, 11:58

hamlet wrote:
I regret that Mr Nishi feels ignored here; but the fact is that the MSX community has kept the standard alive for the last decades. Nishi wouldn't have to worry about a successor at the moment if it weren't for the busy developers and the homebrew scene that have steadily developed the machine since the nineties.

I'm not a fan of developments that don't conform to the standard - but here I see Nishi going it alone. It's a slap in the face to the western fanboys who made MSX what it is and kept the name going.
V9990 and OPL4 are a important part of MSX history now. Like the SFG01/05 or the SCC they are a extension not a given or required hardware. But that is what MSX makes it all.

MSX is alive and developing.

Absolutely agree with you Hamlet!

By aoineko

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15-01-2022, 12:07

By reading you, I have the impression that you all say the same things while having the impression to disagree with each other. ^^
- Yes, the V9990 is not part of the MSX "standard".
- Yes, the V9990 is part of the history of the MSX community (as well as many other devices).

By ivke2006

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15-01-2022, 12:11

Well, probably you can insert your VDP9990 cartridge into a slot adapter to use it on the MSX3.
So problem solved.

People should look further then the current MSX scene.
Including it into the standard will add complexity, costs, development time, etc..therefore it will limit the potential for success in the international market.

By erpirao

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15-01-2022, 12:30

I have the suspicion that the cartridges that are not "ROM" will not be able to be used, I read some time ago that it would be a USB reader.

By tfh

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15-01-2022, 15:05

ivke2006 wrote:

Well, probably you can insert your VDP9990 cartridge into a slot adapter to use it on the MSX3.
So problem solved.

People should look further then the current MSX scene.
Including it into the standard will add complexity, costs, development time, etc..therefore it will limit the potential for success in the international market.

Correct.
I think he means the MSX3 will not have V9990 compatability on board, but you can always put a V9990 into a cartridge slot. So no worries...

By Manuel

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15-01-2022, 17:17

Note that in my post I didn't mean to say that V9990 is part of the standard, of course it is not. I just wanted to say that if I would extrapolate the standard, the V9990 and OPL4 would be the most logical actually realized next steps that would have been part of it. When Mr. Nishi wants to ignore these, that's possible, of course. It's his decision.
It would be great though if that "V9998" would be backwards compatible with both V9958 and V9990. That would be a dream come true.
And if not, indeed, if that new machine would be truly MSX compatible, the existing V9990 based cartridges (as well as all other MSX compatible cartridges) would still be usable on it.

By Sebbeug

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15-01-2022, 17:26

maybe someone could explain to me what Mr. Nishi did from 1990 to 2019 for the MSX community?
Of course, with all respect to Mr. Nishi.

By syn

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15-01-2022, 17:40

I fail to see the issue here. How much was the v9990 used at all?

I can understand being upset if the entire msx scene used and developed for it exclusively for the past 30 years but from what I can tell there are a few (tech)demo's, a handful of games and some tools like symbos/realfun (most of them were only made in recent years) .

Mind you i like the v9990 like anyone else (i have 2 carts) but really, how much would we be missing in a msx3 if it lacks v9990 support?

By Grauw

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15-01-2022, 18:12

Sebbeug wrote:

maybe someone could explain to me what Mr. Nishi did from 1990 to 2019 for the MSX community?
Of course, with all respect to Mr. Nishi.

I distinctly recall an “MSX revival” in the 2000s, meeting mr. Nishi in person, a speech about 1chipMSX, new MSX Magazine issues (that something I worked on was a small part of), MSX PLAYer, Project EGG, etc. But maybe it was all a dream…

With all respect, are you asking an honest question and do you truly not know of the events in this period where Nishi was one of the key parties involved, or are you just trolling? I kind of agree with Nishi’s comment on Twitter about people speaking on behalf of “the MSX community”. Maybe you mean to imply Nishi has not done something for you from 1990 to 2019.

I don’t have extreme reverence for Nishi or particularly overblown expectations for this new project (we’ll see). But to deny his recurring involvement with MSX over the years isn’t right. Personally I think it’s cool that such a pivotal figure in MSX history is so accessible to us nowadays. I’m hoping to read more historical tidbits, and am interested to see what new projects come in the future.

But going back to mars2000you’s original post of this thread: in the end what MSX means for me is determined by me and not by mr. Nishi.

By Sebbeug

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15-01-2022, 18:43

It was simply a question. (with little irony maybe...)

Grauw wrote:

But going back to mars2000you’s original post of this thread: in the end what MSX means for me is determined by me and not by mr. Nishi.

i agree with that !
If we consider all Nishi's works since 90's... Can we imagine an MSX Community as it is today ? Can we compare weight of all MSX world productions during 30 years+ to MSXPlayer and EGG Project ?
So can Nishi decide today what is MSX or not ?

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