NoWind - New batch?

Two more!

Email sent! Come on everyone, the more ordered the cheaper they are.
Lets make this happen!

I already own a Nowind version 1.0 but I may consider ordering one of these too depending on the design direction. I'd love to have one of the sleeker designs that is in a regular sized MSX cart and preferably has a mini-USB connector port where the cable could be detached and stored away when not in use. : )

So put me down for one as well if the design direction is turning out to be in this direction. : )

-Thomas

I have tested it on my oen one chip msx, but i dont know what the 'kdl' version means, i myself have the orginal japanese one in blue casing (or at least i thought those where the original onces.)

That said, it works on any msx the a have tested, and even on gr8bit, which is a little diffenent from an msx in bus timing, so i expect no problems there.

About the size and form factor, i would love to see the normal cartridge sized cases being used again, however, this might depend on availability and production process that we use. As that is not determined yet, it is hard to say what we end up with.

Geeetings,

Jan

The KdL version means, the Original One Chip MSX running on KdL's OCM-PLD.
http://www.webalice.it/gnogni/

I think that's the most used OCM configuration.

I want one too or this puppy will be shot

I received an email today... the dog is saved

Do you have some news ?

Me too, me too!

Now to get a reasonable-length USB cable...

Received it last week, in a nice box and also an empty CD-r!

some one got it?

me too...

3 meter extension cable.

Me too ...
... but the longer the wait the bigger the pleasure!

NICE I hope i get mine this week olso

Still nothing here...

Pretty ashamed I have not found the time to actually use mine. Still need that longer USB cable... and motivation

Omega; you can file bug reports in their tracker.

Okay let's be patient then.

Talking about Nowinds... I remember they were supposed to arrive for the Christmas

Mine just arrived 5 minutes ago, so I wouldn't worry too much

I am also still waiting for it. Hope i will recieve it this week.

.. hmm I'm in Holland but I'm still waiting

me still non here....waiting and waiting... before christmas he said

I have payed 2 nowinds almost 6 months ago. This is getting a bit crazy, Jan Wilmans from nowind.nl says Rob don't answer his e-mails.

according to sunrise, i should get my Nowind tomorrow or friday...crossing my fingers.

Don't hold your breath

I'm on the same "6 months and counting" wagon...

I got mine without problems

Lol! Same here: this is beyond any acceptable delay and communication (or the lack of it).

No matter the situation: if you can't inform your customers properly (if no email, then some common status info on the site), you should think about leaving the business. Don't sell products you can't deliver: simple as that.

The real bad factor is that he responds to new customers, promises wolverine his will be shipped in a week once payed but people who are waiting for a long time don't hear diddly shit.

I haven't complained to Rob yet, because I read here some people were still receiving thinking it just took a while. But promising new customers they will receive them soon while others in wait is a bit weird. Unless ofcourse he is receiving a whole bunch and shipping those in the next days.

hmm no news there, hmm i think some thing Are delayed. im starting to gues that i cant get my nowind befor december 2013......

Well, that would have been a good trick.

I hardly dare to answer your question but I received mine in February. I also did see some other people that received the Nowind interface by now.

He guys, i'm getting lots of email from people not having received their ordered nowind. I would like to help you but, please understand that i provide support for software only and all orders go through sunrise. I have no more information either and apart from emailing rob regularly, my hands are pretty much tied.

I will try to find out what is happening and offer to help in any way i can, however, so far i have not received any reply.

Greetings,

Jan

The lines below are not ment to tease you guys... More a situation I'd like you all to be in:

A friend of mine thinks about selling his unit... This made me think... Maybe I'll have it...
I'll think about it, cuz I don't really know what to do with it...
The funny thing is, might I decide to buy it, I'll have it the same day...

I just want to say that I finally got around to play around with my nowind and I think its really a fantastic device. Since I am still doing catch-up because I haven't used a real msx for 2 decades, ive been downloading lots of stuff from the web to play, listen, watch. And it works great: download, unpack, mount with nwhostapp, reset msx and I am good to go. I can imagine how much of a hassle it would have been to pull out and insert sd/flashcard, copy, pull out insert again.... for everytime I downloaded something. Only thing I am missing is the ability to access folders on pc instead of dsk images, hope that will implemented someday.

Yes new batch, I ordered and paid in october last year, received it 27th of March 2014.

What about it?

Mailed a few to your gmail account

Technically I waited about 6 weeks maybe a bit more? The actual release date was around half of february I think or maybe end of january ( i dunno when the first ones were send out).

Good going... I've been waiting for more than half a year! Will be the last time ever I order anything from Sunrise.

pfff its more than 8 months now

I have lost any hope to show Nowind here: http://www.viretro.it/?p=5

but still i hope rob is ok... nothing personal happend i hope that makes this problem.

Seems to be in fine enough condition to send those recent orders.

no-wind tarkus666

I really do hope Rob is doing okay...

I mean they (sunrise) have been doing msx stuff for as long as I remember, over 20 years at least... I was never that active in the MSX scene and even I know their name.. that must say something So I dont think this delay/wait is intentional to annoy ppl or a scam, but instead must have a valid reason.

But I do agree the (lack of) communication can be improved.

That was a looooong time ago .

I'm really frustrated too see so many people waiting for their order, and there is nothing i can do about it.

Grrrr

Jan

We were all much younger then and the scene was still healthy.
Nobody was in love with making MSX1 games and holding back progress...

Also at that time the Sunrise Foundation was just a few years old and growing fast, with many volunteers working together.
It's a shame Rob doesn't seem to trust other people to help... The bus factor is simply too low.

Stop the mindless bashing please!

Stop counting from pre-order time.

Has nobody ever had a delay in any of their projects?

Sunrise is a non-profit foundation, existing for 25 years, and you are all bashing it to death, OVER ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Yet when Bazix, which actually was a FOR-PROFIT COMPANY, did not live up to their promises of the Western OCM, almost nobody complained.
When the Woomb games people BOUGHT suddenly *STOPPED WORKING* there were no daily bashes here.

All of you should be ASHAMED and think about what you are doing and how childish and impatient you are behaving.

I ask everyone to calm down the discussion, I think you all made your points very clear.

I'm going to delete any further reaction pro or contra sunrise delivery.

Let's just hope everything turns out for the best and the Nowind interfaces will soon be delivered. The fact o.geerdink received his 2 interfaces is a good sign.

tried contacting jan? (I guess he knows what to do since he created it )

You can probaly unbrick by youself. Just take the ruscue floppy, insert the nowind in slot 1, reset msx. When then flash program has started press 1,2,1 this actively switches between slots 1 and 2.

Now try flashing from the pc. If this doesnt work, insert nowind in slot 2 and do the same but press 2,1,2
And try flashing again.

Make sure to use you v4.3 from the website.

If this doesnt work, call me, i'll talk you through testing the hardware.

Greetings,,

Jan

There are differences between msx's, where cartrdige slots are not connected to slot 1 but to 3-3. In that case slot 2 should still work. However i use a turbo r gt myself for testing, and that has never failed to date, and i mean _never_.

I have flashed dozens of nowinds using my turbo r and my philips 8235/00, always works flawless, also it it very uncommon for a nowind interface to become bricked. Even if flashing fails by disconnecting the usb cable during flashing, the disk method can always recover it, unless it is physically broken.

I can think of two moee things: you vould try holding 1 during the turbo-r boot, if you have a 4.3 rescue disk it should automatically detect the r800 and switch to z80 mode.

Finally the 8245's have unbuffered catridge slots, which can effect timing of the communication, it makes the 8245 a bad candidate to unbrick a nowind...

Greetings,

Jan

Come on, just try to contact Sunrise. I fully understand your frustration, but it's really no use to do this.

When I saw that people were receiving them, I waited about 3 weeks and them send a friendly mail asking if my payment went through correctly (which was a few months ago). Sunrise replied prompty, verifying some things and a few days later my nowind arrived. So maybe there is a valid reason things are going slower?

Furthermore: wouldn't it sound reasonable for the seller to inform the customers if there's some trouble? Instead of them, say, having to constantly poll for information.

Well, ahem... I'm missing the Nowind too.

Marq handled the order (as he lives nearby (only ~50km), I could get mine from him easily). Last time I ordered (only for me) some stuff from Sunrise a year or two ago. The waiting time for ordered items was long, almost two months. And it was some stuff which was not in developement stages, it was only laying on their shelf ready for shipping. There was no excuses for the delays and I had to E-mail several times that I got some replies how the order was proceeding. So, there is something odd how Sunrise handles the orders and replies E-mails.

And beside of being waiting patiently the Nowind to arrive... They have been paid already last year.

BTW, this is not the first, not second, or even third... product which has been very delayed when Marq orders something from Sunrise. So his ranting is very understandable (and as he mentioned, he hasn't still got his empty cartridge covers ordered from Sunrise even longer time ago than Nowind...). I have wondered several years why Marq has not been so happy with Sunrise, but MAYBE I was only lucky in the past getting somewhat faster deliveries. I'm not wondering anymore - so, some things corrected here.

In past I was a happy buyer of Sunrise products (since early/mid 90's). Nowadays, I'm not sure if "unhappy" is enough bad said. Not only speed of delivery varies from very long to horrible, but also the lack of communication is something I really can't understand.

First come, last served.

Tip for future developers, find another producer...
This is just slapstick...

Marq, you are not the only one. Rob doesn't even bother to respond to my emails, which I have made every effort to make non-confrontational and friendly. Jan has responded, but only to tell me that Rob doesn't talk to him either. Very disappointing, and a horrible introduction for me to the MSX retro scene...

Regarding 7MHz operation: it should work, but i'm having read errors when using in an MSX with the 7mhz "fast i/o" hack, that slows down only on vdp access and not all i/o like standard 7MHz kits do. For things like ATA-IDE this results in considerably more throughput.

"Join our hobby, only get ripped-off _sometimes_..."

No need to be so sensitive. I merely stated the obvious -- it is a bad introduction to the community. You haven't seen angry from me.

I do wish people with no money on the line would refrain from the "just be patient" talk. You are just apologizing for bad behavior from Sunrise.

Hi linville and welcome to the MSX community. Although I'm not entirely new to this community and to MSX in general through emulation, I still consider myself new to MSX hardware. I've been slowly collecting various hardware and games only during the last 3 years or so and I am still very much a newbie when it comes right down to it. It's a great scene to be in and one that is very active and I've met some good friends here and have learned a lot in my time spent here. The overall MSX users here will be happy to help assist with what they can.

I'm sorry to hear that some of your experiences so far in regards to purchases made have not gone well and have turned you a bit off in terms of at least dealing with monetary transactions. MSX can be aferall a fairly expensive hobby to get into. I wanted to tell you though that even though I've only been purchasing MSX good for about 3 years now, I've ordered from several MSX scene based hardware and game retailers and have carried on multiple email conversations with several more who were all extremely helpful in answering any questions I had and making sure that I was completely satisfied with my purchases or would-be purchases. I've dealt with the MSX Cartridge Shop, Matra, Bitwise, PlaySoniq, Bas-Ditta, and 5+ transactions from members here on the forum, some of them multiple times even and they are all good, honest and honorable people to deal with and they know and understand the hobby as well as the value of these items not in just terms of expense, but in terms of what makes these special and/or rare. All of my experiences have been good experiences, even in my past dealings with Sunrise.

Now with Sunrise, even though the two orders came through in the end. They did take a very long time to get to me, over 2-3 months. The last time I ordered, I wasn't even sure I was ever going to get my items and at that point Rob was no longer answering my email. Even before I started dealing directly with Sunrise I was warned first hand that it sometimes takes awhile, but that Rob usually came through. I think that is why there are some folks here who may be defending him or at the very least waiting to see what happens because they still have faith that he will come through. But after reading this thread and hearing about how my friend had ordered some items over a year ago of significant value and for all intensive purposes has lost that money to bad business practices, it seems that Sunrise has indeed not honored several transactions. This is a shame to hear about because knowing this now, even though my experiences in the past have come through, there is no way I'd place an order again until I heard that all of these problems had been addressed for everyone affected.

I'm sorry to hear that you got burned here a long with so many others who appear to have been as well, but please don't take the actions of one person who is not running a very professional business anymore be the face of the MSX scene and community. There are many other MSX retailers who are honorable and very professional to deal with. Only it's a shame that some of these operations cannot offer some of the same items that Sunrise has, such as the Nowind. I sold my Nowind awhile back and I'd love to get another one in the newer design someday, but not if it has to go through Sunrise in their current state...

Isn't there someone here who still continues to have dealings on a personal basis with Rob at Sunrise who can just ask him in person what exactly is going on with all of this? I mean how can he expect to offer a product for sale on his site and not honor that sale? I do agree with linville that this does paint a very bad image for the MSX Scene in general and I would think that the MSX community would want to see that image repaired or at least a warning message on the site that tells folks that they should only order from Sunrise at their own risk until the matter is further researched. Wouldn't that make sense to do that until Sunrise can clean up their business model and earn that trust back?

-Thomas

but my question is: are these carts really available?
Cause now I doubt they have been produced...
If this is the case, refund is the solution, since I want to buy another MegaFlash SD.

Some carts where delivered. I also got mine a few months ago, after I mailed Sunrise a second time about my order. A refund is the least Sunrise could do. Keep on waiting and hoping they will arrive is maddness at this point. It been almost a year now for some.

How is a release date of +/- mid-February until end of July "almost a year"? I think something went wrong with the calculator here FYI it was said beforehand that it would be delivered not after payment but somewhere around xmas, but then it got delayed for whatever reasons, which they did send out an e-mail about.

So, of course it sucks that some ppl haven't received their nowinds yet but lets not exaggerate things. And about what is up with sunrise at the moment.. I don't know, I am as much in the dark as you guys.. I do hope/pray sunrise/rob is doing okay and that stuff gets delivered eventually.

Just read up a bit, plenty of people had received one.

syn: I've pre-ordered in februari 2013. But the confirmation by e-mail with delivery date between "Sinterklaas" (aka 5 december) and Christmas from Sunrise was sent on 6 oktober, which, to me is "almost a year ago".

I really think this:
- I may not believe that all stock has been produced, so they are producing the remaining... it takes much time;
- in this case, nobody have to know the truth, and the refund is not the solution because it's hard to pay the total amount.
So it's better to do silence and wait ;-)

Hopefully Jan can get things moving -- he has been very responsive so far. I hope he isn't personally taking a financial hit in the process...?