MSX Unleashed

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add to that: OMFG, this demo rulez beyond recognition. Can someone travel back in time and bundle this demo with the first MSX1 computers shipped?

We actually have a rom version too (256kB ascii8) ready to load in megaram or ESE or something similar. We also have a cassette version coming for those who really want to experience the real thing.

I'll add the DSK version on MSX blue (and later on MSX Valley !)

This mega-demo is really fantastic ! It proves that the MSX1 has 'hidden' unknown features that excellent programmers like dvik and joyrex can reveal for our great pleasure !

I knew some beta versions, all parts are excellent, but the last added part (with especially a pixelled Mona Lisa) is incredible and wonderful !!!

And I was forgetting the music : joyrex is a PSG master !!!

I will check this ...

Naturally, if the MSX1 has hidden feaetures, the MSX2 with screen 4 also has them automagically.. ^_^

Why do you need a dsk version.. Insert dir as disk works fine too

By fidelity to the original format of the demo that was developed on a disk

Of course, the dir as dsk feature works also, but I still prefer the DSK file !

De gustis e coloris non discutandum est !

this really is an amazing piece of MSX1 software! dvik at his best i guess? i also like joyrex's music. really weird MSX1 music :-D

The PSG R7 bug, right? It is fixed.

Amazing demo! 105 colours at once? I thought that the MSX1 colour palette only had 16 colours. The Ultimate MSX FAQ is wrong

As an openMSX team member, I must say that I'm not at all dissatisfied with how this demo runs on openMSX! I compared it to how it runs on my real 8250 compared to openMSX, and there are only some minor timing differences, mainly visible in the borderscroll (unless I missed something).
On the real 8250 I saw some timing issues in the rotating bars part, which also appeared on openMSX. And on the real 8250 there are also some small timing issues in the borderscroll. But there, they are mostly on the left side (similar to openMSX MSX1 emulation), while on openMSX they're much heavier on the right side.

Anyway: this is truely an impressive demo! I hope to see more in the future!

Btw, I hope everyone discovered the bonus part already?

Did I miss something?

Simply amazing. Very good and hard job. Congratulations to both of you.

Agreed!, the whole demo is FANTASTIC; but the multicolored screen 0 rules!

Simply.... AMAZING! Now this is one of my favorite demos!

damn that rotation zooming part with the dithering looks (excusez le mot) FUCKING awesome !
big up for the music too joyrex now at least you gotta do more demos then bandwagon hahaha

@SLotman: Its definately possible to use the 105 color images in an adventure game. Its not that CPU intesive but the images requires of course more memory than standard SC2 images. The big problem though is the rendering of the image. Its far from all photos that can be converted to decent 105 color images and the encoding is really slow (several hours on a PC). I'm sure that the encoding could be speeded up to make it more useful.

@manuel: openmsx does a pretty good job running it using the boosted MSX2 config. There are some minor glitches mainly in the intro and the slideshow parts. As you've probably noticed it has some more glitches in msx1, msx2+ and tr machines. I don't think the glitches are that disturbing for people viewing the demo but they were big enough for me not to use openmsx when developing the demo. bluemsx also have glitches, most notable of course the lack of pixel accuaracy in the border colors, but I fixed them as we developed the demo so the demo will run ok in the next release of bluemsx.

btw, /me waiting for the .wav version

dvik: can you post the glitches I missed in detail to the openMSX devel mailinglist? Thanks.

1575 if I'm correct. NOP's Unknown Reality spoke about 2048 unique colors, with page swapping, but technically that's impossible. The effect you want to achieve is like having colors 'in between' the normal colors. E.g. in screen 8:

[color 248 alternated with color 240] -->
11111000 alternated with 11110000 --> makes bit3 flicker. As you all know, this is the middle green bit. So, effectively we've created a 'new color' with a green tone somewhere between color 248 and 240. Possible combinations of this effect are:

R2 R1 R0 G2 G1 G0 B1 B0
  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^
  |  |  |  |  |  |  |

In fact, we create 2^(8+7) = 32768 colors this way. Using the principle of inclusion and exclusion we remove the obvious incorrect color combinations (it makes no sense to mix orange with purple for example) and are left with 1575 colors. See some late MCCM for the exact details

When can we expect 4motion_unleashed?
Meaning? Overscan 4Motion?

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When can we expect 4motion_unleashed?
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Meaning? Overscan 4Motion?

Or perhaps an MSX1 port of 4Motion

dvik: I'm just searchin for something simpler -and faster- . Imagine I build an image with those 105 colors (it would be darn COOL to have an aproximate RGB index for all those colors, and the 2 MSX colors that are used to get every 105 color); and I build the image assuming the sc2 restrictions but using this color 105 index. Then I just have to make an app that creates 2 images form the source image, just checkin that index and writing those 2 files searching inside a database containing the color index (a piece of cake to code). Another thing is to make an RGB2MSX_SC2_interlaced... but I'm not lookin' for such a thing!.

dvik: oh, I did forget that now "4 colors" are posible in 8 pixels! (with restrictions due to the mixing, of course!) . I made this GIF file showing all possible combinations (with a lot of duplicates ;()...

it are demos like these that make one wonder if the limits of the MSX1 computer system will ever be reached .

When can we expect 4motion_unleashed?

Have some patience

Or perhaps an MSX1 port of 4Motion

If you forget the palette changes, MSX1 support is pretty much trivial. Of course, you still need the memory.

This colorthing is meant for still images I guess? (pictures, portraits, things, whatever) I can't imagine it being useful in a game like UU, to name one.

I think these pics could be drawn in e.g. Polka. In fact I think there is a much bigger chance of getting nice pictures that way. Converting real photos doesn't always work out that well. With the tool I'm writing it will be possible to convert any RGB bitmap and they could be drawn in a paint program using a defined palette that converts nicely. But it would of course be a lot easier to have a tool like Polka that contains the restrictions in how the colors can be used.

After months, I finally tested this program.
Ok, I saw the demonstration on BlueMSX. It is amazing, the parts that I liked more were the text scrolling and the end credits. Until the globe and the final scroll, the letters was my favorite effect.
Congratulations!

Ok, I saw the sequel.
The music in the Utopia is sounding considerably better than on MSX Unleashed.
Not bad, since the first time that I saw the Unleashed demonstration I was listening to a Roxette CD (the Ballad Hits).
There is a great improvement over the previous demonstration programs available for the MSX format.

In fact, I had downloaded both programs from a other site some days ago, that page has a list of some demonstration software for MSX1,MSX2 and MSX2+/TurboR ...